dinsdag 19 juli 2011

De nep-citaten van zionisten in het valse Homeland van Georg Sluizer


Zondag zond de VPRO, je weet wel, de kwaliteitsomroep, de film Homeland uit van Georg Sluizer. De film is doorspekt met zogenaamde citaten van Ben Goerion, Sharon, Meir en anderen, die echter bijna allemaal vals zijn. Ik vind deze film werkelijk te vergelijken met nazi-propagandafilms zoals Der Ewige Jude. Zo beweert Sluizer dat ben Goerion in 1948 heeft gezegd dat:


We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.


Dit is echter fake blijkens een artikel op CAMERA; hetzelfde nep-citaat is ook anderen in de mond gelegd:


Commissioner Israel Koenig NEVER WROTE this

Source given: Supposedly cited in Lustick, Ian, Arabs in the Jewish State, University of Texas Press, Texas, 1980.

Koenig didn't say it, and Lustick never wrote that he said it. This same fabricated Zionist quote is also attributed to David Ben Gurion in 1948.

More Information on fake Zionist quotes II


Op antizionistische en antisemitische websites kom je vaak tientallen, zo niet honderden van dergelijke citaten tegen, de ene nog absurder dan de andere. Israelische en zionististische leiders lijken er erger in dan nazi’s. Vreemd alleen dat zij zulke dingen nooit gewoon in het openbaar zeggen, opgetekend door normale media (die ook niet bepaald pro-Israel zijn) en bediscussieerd in Israelische media. Van tientallen citaten is immers bewezen, door onder meer artikelen van Ami Isseroff en op Camera, dat zij vals zijn. Er zijn ongetwijfeld nog veel citaten in omloop waarvan dat nog niet bewezen is. Een leugen is nou eenmaal sneller opgeschreven dan weerlegd. De bewijslast ligt dan ook bij de mensen die deze citaten op hun website zetten of in hun film verwerken, maar Sluizer weigert zijn bronnen prijs te geven. Harry Boostheim schrijft daarover:


Ondertussen blijft Sluizer volhouden dat hij het allemaal zwart op wit heeft maar weigert iets te overleggen. Net als de meest groezelige quotes die hij Golda Meir en Ben Goerion in de mond legt over vergassen en uitroeien, waar niemand nog ooit van heeft gehoord behalve Sluizer dan die volgens eigen zeggen zijn bronnen niet gaat prijsgeven.


Het is, kortom, schandalig dat de VPRO en het Nederlandse Fonds voor de Film, dat Sluizer 100.000 Euro gaf voor het maken van de film, aan dergelijke leugens en haatzaaierij meewerken. Op de website van Holland.doc staat bovendien een wel erg kritiekloos interview met Sluizer bij de aankondiging van de film. Wie wil kan bij deze organisaties zijn beklag doen.


Hieronder een gedeelte van een artikel van Ami Isseroff over valse citaten en hoe ze te herkennen, met natuurlijk een aantal voorbeelden.





also see Zionist Quotes   Anti-Zionist Quotes

People put great store in quotes and purported quotes, but these are often faked.

Fake Zionist Quotes

Scattered around the Web are numerous pages of "Zionist Quotes" that show Zionism as an evil, racist conspiracy. Many of the quotes are forgeries, hoaxes and inventions. The quotes were fabricated to discredit Israel, Zionism or Jews.  not to inform or enlighten anyone.  The intent of the doctored quotes may be to  "prove" that "Zionism is Racism." and that 'Zionists' planned the transfer of Arabs from Palestine from the start and to demonize Israeli, Zionists and Jews.

How Fake Quotes are Made

Fake quotes are manufactured in a number of ways:

Presenting fiction as fact - A satirical and fictional "interview" with an Israeli general was presented as a real interview of Ariel Sharon supposedly don by Amos Oz.

Confabulation - According to Benny Morris, Ben Gurion wrote to his son that "we must expel the Arabs." These words could not be found in the Hebrew text of his letters, but apparently in an English version.

Quoting out of context - A portion of a speech or letter meant ironically or with an obviously innocent intent is quoted as standalone prose. For example, before the establishment of the state of Israel, David Ben Gurion gave a speech noting that Arabs would be nearly a majority in the new state unless the Zionists acted. Ben Gurion explained envisioned massive Jewish immigration. That part of his remarks is omitted so that the unsuspecting reader thinks that Ben Gurion was proposing "ethnic cleansing."

Omitting key phrases - For example the phrase "We bought the lands from the Arabs" was omitted from a Moshe Dayan quote to make it seem like he admitted that Zionists had stolen all the land.

How to Spot Fake Quotes

Sometimes fake quotes can be spotted because the language is particularly obnoxious, or because what are supposedly Hebrew names or place names have been distorted by someone who does not know the language. An Israeli statesman would not be likely to use racist or violent language in public and no Israeli would have a name like "Ouze." "Quotes" of that type were concocted for a credulous Arab-speaking audience ad translated,

Crude hoaxes can sometimes be because they refer to persons who do not exist. There are no such people as General Ouze Merham or spokesperson Tziporah Menache.

Quotes that are given without an original source citation or with many ellipses are suspicious.

How to Deal with Fake Zionist Quotes

It is not possible to find the origins of every fake quote and hoax and should not be necessary. The burden of proof should be on those who propose the material, since new hoaxes can be fabricated much faster than they are refuted, but it is not so. It is ver time consuming and difficult to prove convincingly that a quote is a hoax.

Some real quotes may be quite obnoxious. You cannot be made to be responsible for every unfortunate utterance of every politician and should not try to defend every utterance.

Always demand to see the original document and quote, not somebody's citation of the quote, part of the document or an inexact translation.

Search the Web with a phrase from the quote to see if someone has already debunked it or if it can be found in the original context. If the quote appears at known hate sites such as rense.com, jewwatch, zundelsite, stormfront, aryannation88, sodahead, electronic inifadah, miftah, or godlike productions, it is probably fake, especially if it cannot be found at respectable and balanced Web sites or other authoritative sources.   Google translations are often good enough to verify quotes in languages you do not know.

The printed word, especially in an academic book, or article, has an awesome authority. The invented quote, with it non-existent journal citation, will be often be copied out of the purest motives and in total innocence.

Sample Fake Zionist Quotes

Not every fake quotation can be debunked. I present only a somewhat arbitrary sample of what appears to be the most popular hoaxes. Just because you cannot find a"Zionist quote" here does not mean it is legitimate.

Fake 'Zionist' - Tziporah Menache



This quote is egregious because even the Nazis admit it is a fake. You can look for it at the Stormfront Web site, where it is also debunked.  

There was was evidently no such person as "Tziporah Menache" in the role of Israeli spokesperson. She was not a spokesperson in 2009.

"You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can't criticize Israel." Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache 2009

The fabrication first appeared supposedly in a Pakistani Web site, but cannot be found there. It was de-bunked not by Zionists, but by anti-Semitic and anti Israel Web sites, apparently because the Web page contained a virus.

At abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread433959/pg1 we find:

After much careful research from many members of the ATS community it has been concluded without a doubt that this thread is a hoax. The quote itself came from a single source which has been shown to be fictional. Furthermore, careful research has shown that the only mention of the spokeswoman's name, ever, is in articles relating to this supposed statement. In short, we are not even able to establish if the woman exists at all.

At rense.com/general85/quote.htm paranoid racist Dick Eastman writes:

Subject: It's a disinformation-bated trap Fw: Israeli Tzipora Menache: "We control the stupid Americans"

"You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us?..." --fake person "Tzipora Manache" -- the quote sends people looking for Israel into a search where they find a virus download.

This is scripted stuff -- scripted for the effect it would have on us. The goal is to get people googling for Tzipora -- where they will find a link that will download a virus. The fake quote is like the a doll attached as bait to the trigger of a landmine -- those investigating the influence of Israel will attempt to hunt down Tzipora Manache and will fall into the trap.

It should not be necessary to explain that the fortunecity address probably gut the virus by coincidence, and not as the result of a sinister Jew-Zionist conspiracy.

Even the anti-semites are ashamed of this crude fabrication. Nonetheless, the hoax quote is presented as real at a large number of Web sites including  radioislam.org/eng/We-Control-Stupid-Americans.htm; wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/10635; heidilore.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/israeli-spokesman-says-we-control-stupid-americans/. 

Further reading: http://www.zionism-israel.com/fake_zionist_quotes.htm


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